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MINUTES
CITY OF GLENDALE
CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP
September 5, 2000
1:30 p.m.
PRESENT: Mayor Scruggs, Vice Mayor Eggleston, and Councilmembers Clark,
Frate, Goulet, Lieberman, and Martinez.
ALSO PRESENT: Martin Vanacour, City Manager; Ed Beasley, Assistant City
Manager; Gary Verburg, Interim City Attorney; and Pamela
Oliveira, City Clerk.
1. CITY CENTER MASTER PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE
CITY STAFF PRESENTING THIS ITEM: Mr. Jim Colson, Economic Development
Director; Mr. lain Vasey, Economic Development Redevelopment Manager; and Mr.
James Mason, Economic Development Business Development Manager.
As part of the City Center Master Plan, staff recommended that a City Center Master
Plan Advisory Committee be created to provide citizen input and guidance prior to the
plan being presented to the Planning Commission and the City Council. The Advisory
Committee will act in an advisory capacity and provide input and develop concepts and
ideas that will be incorporated into the plan. The Committee would help the City to
establish goals and objectives for the plan and provide feedback and comment
throughout the planning process.
It was recommended that the Committee be comprised of 30 citizens, selected from
different disciplines, representative of the entire City and appointed by the Mayor and
City Council. The proposed Committee structure would include representatives of six
constituent groups, each consisting of five individuals, including property owners,
civic/institutional groups, real estate brokers/developers, retailers, Glendale citizens
from the entire community, and bankers.
The Committee will meet every month, or as often as needed, from October of 2000 to
approximately April of 2001. The Committee's meetings will be open to the public and
there will be a number of opportunities for citizens to provide input and comment on the
development of the plan. If the Council approves of the proposed Committee structure,
staff requested that the Council consider appointing members of the Committee at a
future meeting.
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On July 25, 2000, the City Council retained the services of RNL Design to complete the
City Center Master Plan by August of 2001. At Council Workshop meetings held in
April and July of 2000, staff presented concept timeframes and preliminary structure for
the plan, including the citizen participation portion of the project.
The creation of the Citizens Advisory Committee has been discussed with the City
Council, as well as other groups such as the Downtown Development Corporation, the
Chamber of Commerce, and merchants groups. A number of citizens have volunteered
to participate by contacting staff or Councilmembers.
As part of the development of the City Center Master Plan, a number of methods will be
utilized to solicit citizen participation, including public meetings, newsletters, cable
television, and target focus groups. The planning process will require several public
hearings before the Planning Commission and the City Council. Staff plans to attend a
future Workshop with the consultant, RNL Design, to present further details relating to
the citizen participation process.
The City Council has approved a contract with RNL Design to complete the City Center
Master Plan for $216,329.
The recommendation was to review the proposed Committee structure and provide
staff direction.
Councilmember Lieberman cautioned RNL Design to work closely with the Maricopa
Association of Governments (MAG) at the earliest stages in regards to the intersection
of Grand/59th/Glendale Avenues.
Vice Mayor Eggleston asked if RNL Design was involved in putting Phases I, II and III
together. Mr. Vasey stated that they were. He explained that they had discussed the
concepts and timeframes. He said that RNL has an office in Phoenix and that some of
its staff and affiliate consultants have looked at the site concerns.
Councilmember Martinez stated that, although he liked the proposed membership
categories, he felt the community at large should be better represented. He explained
that five individuals representing a community of this size was not adequate.
Mayor Scruggs asked if the Advisory Committee was an advocacy group or if they
would be asked to set aside their opinions and consider information received from the
citizens. She suggested that, if they were an advocacy group, more citizens should be
involved; however, if they will act as more of a hearing group, the citizens should then
present their ideas to the committee. Mr. Colson explained that their role would not be
as an advocate and they should not come in with preconceived ideas of what should be
accomplished. He stated that they want a group that can filter ideas to determine if
they are realistic and achievable and to act as a sounding board.
Councilmember Martinez stated that he has had two or three people express interest in
serving on the committee. He reiterated his opinion that five people representing the
entire City was not adequate.
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Mayor Scruggs stated that she also had a list of people City-wide who had expressed
an interest in serving on the committee.
Councilmember Goulet asked whether the community was satisfied with the Citizen
Committee's recommendations. He suggested that, by nature, they would get people
advocating certain things in the downtown area. He stated that he has had 15 people
actively solicit him who want to serve on the committee. He suggested that the
meetings be moved around the City, providing more people with the opportunity to
attend. He said that there should be more differentiation between the building property
owners and the retail business owners. Mr. Colson stated that it is difficult to identify
the community's level of satisfaction. He said that they have discussed moving the
meetings around the community. He noted that, although there is no restriction or
limitation as to the number of members in the committee, they want to receive input
from the citizens in a manageable fashion.
Councilmember Clark submitted a memo that she had prepared. She said that she
took a minority position. She explained that she was concerned they were giving 10
positions to local stakeholders and 20 positions to bankers, brokers, professionals and
civic organizations. She questioned whether there was a need for a two-to-one ratio on
a committee that makes major decisions about downtown Glendale, where people live,
work and own businesses. She stated that major stakeholders deserve at least equal
representation on the committee. She said that she has also had residents express an
interest in serving on the committee. She suggested a dual-track committee, one
comprised of professional groups and another of local stakeholders, who would then
come together to build a consensus.
Councilmember Frate stated that he also had constituents who were interested in
serving on the committee. He noted that some of these constituents have a lot of
experience to offer.
Mayor Scruggs stated that people who want to see certain things happen would best
serve outside the committee structure, acting as advocates. She said that people need
to decide why they are there - are they there to listen to what others have to say or to
push for a specific agenda.
Mayor Scruggs stated that the real estate brokers used in the Miracle Mile forum were
from outside the community because they wanted to hear what the outside world
viewed as the City's strengths and weaknesses. She said that they would not get the
kind of input needed with regard to bringing development investors to the area unless
they went outside of the City of Glendale. She noted that they had done a good job in
identifying the various categories that need to be included.
Mr. Colson suggested that someone involved in the committee could play an advisory
role and that they could establish a task force to seek input from financial professionals
or developers outside the City of Glendale.
Councilmember Lieberman agreed with Councilmember Clark's comments that real
estate and banks need no more than two representatives on the board. He said that he
also agreed with Councilmember Martinez that the citizens of Glendale should have
more representatives, as they are the ones who ultimately have to live with the project.
Councilmember Martinez suggested that they keep it to one committee and increase
the number of representatives on the citizens-at-large group.
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Mayor Scruggs summarized by saying that, although the Council felt the concept was
good, they want it to be larger. She said that it should be kept to one group and should
be local to Glendale.
2. DISCUSSION OF FUTURE 303 ALIGNMENT
CITY STAFF PRESENTING THIS ITEM: Mr. Tim Ernster, Deputy City Manager; Mr.
James Book, Transportation Director; and Mr. Terry Johnson, Transportation Planning
Manager.
There has been much discussion regarding the northern alignment of the LOOP 303.
In the October 5, 1985 Special Election, the people of Maricopa County voted on, and
overwhelmingly approved, Proposition 300, which included the construction of LOOP
303 in the West Valley. There has been exceptional growth in the Northwest Valley,
creating a desire for additional transportation corridors. Several alternative alignments
for the LOOP 303 have been suggested. City staff presented a brief overview of the
original alignment of the LOOP 303, as well as some of the alternative alignments that
have been proposed.
The construction of the Northwest LOOP 303 runs from 1-10 along Cotton Lane, north
to Grand Avenue and then on to Lake Pleasant Parkway. The 1985 Special Election
ballot showed this alignment then continuing easterly until it reached the 1-17 Black
Canyon Freeway at the Dixileta Drive alignment.
The City of Glendale is supportive of public discussions regarding the construction of
supplemental freeway segments, but strongly opposes any change to the voter-
approved alignment.
There are no budget impacts or additional staff requirements associated with this item.
This item was presented for information and discussion purposes only.
Councilmember Lieberman noted that the Central Arizona Project (CAP) canal was not
identified on the map. He said that it may effect plans for bridges, crossings and so
forth. Mr. Book showed Mr. Lieberman where the CAP canal was on the map.
In response to Councilmember Martinez' question, Mr. Book stated that the 1985
proposition did specifically mention Dixileta.
Councilmember Lieberman asked if Dixileta was a current interchange. Mr. Book
replied that it was not. He added that there is a desire to establish the interchanges on
1-17 between Carefree Highway and Loop 101.
Councilmember Lieberman asked if the proposed widening of 1-17 northbound would
end at the 303 interchange. Mr. Johnson explained that, in the current long-range plan,
the widening extends to the Carefree Highway. He added that it is not funded.
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Mayor Scruggs stated that Loop 303 was removed from any funding mechanism in
1994. There was no interest on the part of the region in seeing Loop 303 come back
until other private interests determine where they need access. She said that they had
carefully focused on Dixileta in their letter to Governor Jane Hull, recognizing that they
were not engineering the entire route. She said that business interests which are
involved would like to put 10 miles between Loop 101 and the next transportation
corridor. She said that they were costing the City a tremendous amount of money in
terms of diminished quality of life for the residents and the traffic they are placing on
59th and 67th Avenues on a daily basis.
Councilmember Clark asked where the City of Glendale ends to the north. Mr. Book
stated that the Glendale City limits end at Pinnacle Peak Road.
Vice Mayor Eggleston stated that if Loop 303 moves five miles north, people living north
of the Loop 101 would continue to travel Loop 101. Mr. Book stated that, although they
currently have quite a bit of capacity on the Loop 101, there is not a lot of additional
capacity at the interchange from the Loop 101 to 1-17. He explained that the Valley got
along for quite some time without freeways because it had a very well defined arterial
grid system. He said that the northwest area does not have much commitment to the
grid system, making Loop 303 even more critical.
Councilmember Clark pointed out that voters voted for the Dixileta alignment. She
asked if any thought had been given to the fact that, the further north the alignment is,
the more opportunity there is to destroy desert open spaces. She suggested that
moving the alignment further north would conflict with MAG's (Maricopa Association of
Governments) Desert Spaces Plan.
Councilmember Lieberman stated that this would not effect 59th Avenue because it
ends at Thunderbird Park and then goes east to 1-17. He said that it would effect 67th
Avenue because it would cross 67th and 99th Avenues, both of which streets could use
it. He expressed his opinion that Dixileta would be the best connector because the
closer the area is, the faster it will grow in population.
Councilmember Martinez agreed that traffic on 67th Avenue is a big problem and he
stated that the City owes it to the voters to have the interchange at Dixileta.
Mayor Scruggs stated that the Council supported the project. She said that all north
Glendale and north Peoria residents would be receiving a letter within the next week,
making them aware of the situation.
Councilmember Clark suggested that the Council develop a resolution, indicating its
strong support of the voter-approved Dixileta Drive alignment. She said that they
should call for all other Northwest Valley cities to pass a similar resolution as well.
Mr. Johnson stated that it was important that a decision be made with regard to the
alignment and that the right-of-way be protected. He said that the further south the
alignment is, the more the City of Glendale would benefit. He said that this decision
would go into the Regional Plan in March of 2001.
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Councilmember Frate thanked Mayor Scruggs for mailing information to the people who
live along 59th and 67th Avenues, informing them of the consequences of moving this
alignment.
Councilmember Lieberman asked Mr. Johnson to elaborate on the intersection with 1-8.
He asked when the limited route would be made into a full freeway. Mr. Johnson
replied that it would be made into a full freeway when the money was available.
Councilmember Lieberman noted that 91 property owners had donated that land in the
hope that it would speed up its development.
Mayor Scruggs stated that the consensus of the Council was to do a resolution
supporting the Dixileta alignment. She noted that morning traffic on the Loop 101
backs up to the west, past 35th Avenue. Councilmember Lieberman asked if that
situation would be alleviated once Loop 101 opens up to the east. Mayor Scruggs
stated that the Arizona Department of Transportation (ADOT) believes it will; however,
she feels that, while it will help to some degree, new travelers will also continue to be
added.
3. UPDATE ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF A FOOTBALL STADIUM IN THE WEST
VALLEY
CITY STAFF PRESENTING THIS ITEM: Mr. Ed Beasley, Assistant City Manager; Mr.
Jim Colson, Economic Development Director; Mr. James Mason, Economic
Development Business Development Manager; Mr. Art Lynch, Finance Director; and
Mr. Charlie McClendon, Budget and Research Director.
The November 7, 2000 election ballot will include Proposition 302, which would
increase hotel/motel taxes and rental car fees sufficient to provide funds for the
upgrading of several Cactus League facilities and the construction of a new stadium for
the Arizona Cardinals football team. In addition, Proposition 302 creates the Tourism
and Stadium Authority, which will be responsible for the management of such a
stadium.
Historically, the sites discussed for such a facility have been in the East Valley or in
Central Phoenix. A West Valley site has recently been proposed by Mr. John F. Long.
At today's Workshop staff was present to update the City Council on the viability of a
West Valley site.
On August 10, 2000, the Mayors and/or City Managers from eight West Valley cities
and towns (the City of Glendale, the City of Peoria, the City of Surprise, the Town of
Youngtown, the City of Litchfield Park, the City of Goodyear, the Town of Wickenburg,
and the City of Avondale) met and discussed an offer by Mr. John F. Long to donate
land near Loop 101 and Thomas Road for a new football stadium. This site is
approximately 2 miles from the Glendale City boundary at Camelback Road. At that
meeting, three key points were agreed to by all of the cities in attendance. They are:
1. A written statement of support for a West Valley stadium site must be
provided by the Arizona Cardinals and published in the local newspapers.
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2. A statement of support by Mr. Skip Rimsza, Mayor of the City of Phoenix,
stating his City's endorsement of the project and its participation in the public
sector funding necessary for the project.
3. An analysis of the project's merits must be completed. To that end, a
committee, consisting of West Valley City Managers and Assistant City
Managers, was formed to determine: (a) revenue to be expected from such a
project and how that revenue would be shared among the stakeholders; (b)
what the municipal expenditures would be for such a project and from what
sources could the cities and town generate those funds; (c) the relationship of
the proposed site to the various cities, and the amount of money and the
timeframe that each city and town would expect to receive payback on this
investment.
This was the first time that this issue had been discussed by the City Council,
Previously, a ballot initiative failed in the City of Mesa for the construction of a stadium
and regional events center. This was the first staff briefing to the City Council on this
issue.
Staff is currently evaluating what the potential costs of the project may be to the cities
and towns. These costs, however, are not exact since no site plans have been
developed. At this time, the estimates range from $40-126 million for off-site
improvements.
The recommendation was to review this item and provide staff direction.
Councilmember Goulet asked if the 13 or 14 stadiums identified in the Pepperdine
University study which cost taxpayers more than they generated was calculated on a
yearly basis. Mr. Mason explained that it was based on the life of the debt repayment
on those stadiums. He stated that most had a zero return. Councilmember Goulet
asked what period of time the 1994 study of 30 stadiums covered. Mr. Mason
explained that the studies dealt with direct economic benefits, not with residual benefits.
Councilmember Martinez asked if other West Valley cities had indicated that they want
to proceed with the feasibility study. Mr. Beasley stated that a meeting would be held
that Thursday with the West Valley Mayors and City Managers, at which they would
discuss what the next step should be. Councilmember Martinez voiced his support of
proceeding with the feasibility study.
Mayor Scruggs asked if they would like the City of Glendale to proceed regardless of
whether other cities participate. She said that most of the other cities have not taken a
position because they do not have a complete understanding of what is involved. Mr.
Beasley said that if the other West Valley cities were willing to participate, the City of
Glendale should participate; if not, Glendale should not proceed.
Councilmember Lieberman noted that, although the other cities do not have funds to
put into the project, they are willing to help. He expressed his opinion that the City of
Glendale should proceed.
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Councilmember Clark noted that this would go before the voters on November 15th and,
if the voters say no, this would be a mute discussion. Mr. McClendon agreed.
Councilmember Clark said that the City of Phoenix did not expect this potential land
donation and has not developed a strong position. She said that the City of Phoenix's
position would determine whether this ever occurs. She said that, should this become a
reality, waiving fees for site development is not subject to voter approval in Phoenix.
She pointed out that, if they want to commit more than $3 million to the project, they
have to hold a special election. She expressed her opinion that there is no harm in
moving forward with the feasibility study, but that is as far as they can go at this time.
She pointed out that the City of Phoenix is willing to put some money into the feasibility
study and suggested that the cities of Peoria and Avondale should do the same. She
said that smaller cities, even if they cannot afford a large contribution towards the
feasibility study, could contribute a token amount to indicate their support. She
questioned how long it would take to do a feasibility study. Mr. Mason said that, since
the information is out there already, it would only take a matter of weeks to compile the
information.
Councilmember Frate asked about the timeframe for the proposal. Mr. Colson stated
that they have been drafting a letter of intent because he does not believe the
October 1st deadline is feasible. Mayor Scruggs said that she was told this letter would
come from the Steering Group and she believed this group to be a more appropriate
venue to issue the letter. Mr. Colson confirmed that it would come from the Steering
Group and that they had simply drafted the language. Mr. Beasley stated that the West
Valley Managers discussed whether a study needed to take place and whether there
should be a placeholder's letter. He said that they have not put anything into a form for
presentation to anyone except the West Valley Mayors. Mayor Scruggs said that she
would not be comfortable with a letter that came from the West Valley Mayors and did
not include the Mayor of the City of Phoenix.
Vice Mayor Eggleston expressed his opinion that staff has spent enough time working
on this when, in reality, it is a property owner in Phoenix who has said that he will give
an undisclosed amount of property. He stated that the Mayor of Phoenix had said the
City does not want to build the stadium. Vice Mayor Eggleston questioned why the City
Council was considering it when it would not help the City of Glendale.
Mayor Scruggs stated that she did not believe the Mayor of the City of Phoenix has
been anti-stadium or anti-Cardinals, but rather surprised with an opportunity that was
not figured into the City's financial plans. She suggested that, because of
improvements being done to the Civic Center, the City of Phoenix would need to go to
the voters before spending additional funds on a football stadium.
Mr. Colson clarified that they had drafted a letter on behalf of the City Managers group,
and not on the City's behalf. He said that they had worked hard to identify the costs
associated with this type of facility and determine if it could generate the necessary
revenue stream. He said that, based on the projected direct revenue generation, it is
very difficult to justify and they need to determine if they can generate the ancillary
development necessary to justify the project to the City.
Councilmember Clark pointed out that, in 21/2 months, the voters will have spoken and
the City Council would then know if there was any support to move forward. She said
that it might solve some of the City of Phoenix's dilemma as well. She explained that
there might be more incentive to bring the issue before the voters if the general
sentiment of the voters in Maricopa County was to support a stadium. She said that, in
the interim, a feasibility study could be done at a minimal cost and she would not have
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a problem in moving forward with that study.
Mayor Scruggs explained that the legislation requires the proposals to be in before the
vote on November 7t". She said that the legislation does not address what happens if
no one submits a proposal. She noted that Page 56 of the legislation requires that the
Tourism and Sports Authority enter into a binding agreement with any party that will be
a regular user of the multi-purpose facility. She said that it also requires that they enter
into one or more agreements with a county, city or cities in which the potential site or
sites are located. She said that the agreement would address how the county or city
would provide the land, parking, and infrastructure needed for the facility. She said that
the Tourism and State Authority rgquires that the City of Phoenix and any other city
hold a public vote on November 7t". She reviewed a draft of the Tourism and Sports
Authority's request for site proposals for the stadium facility. She said that if the
Tourism and Sports Authority's request for proposal criteria is correct, there can be no
proposal because no election is occurring in the City of Phoenix or the other cities on
November 7"1.
Mayor Scruggs stated that she would express the Council's willingness to participate in
the feasibility study at the meeting to be held that Thursday, with the understanding that
the other west valley communities would also participate. She asked if the breakdown
of one-third to be paid by the John F. Long Organization, one-third to be paid by the
City of Phoenix, and one-third to be shared by the other cities was something they had
an agreement on. Mr. Beasley stated that the only thing they were aware of was that
the Cities of Phoenix and Peoria had offered to share in the cost of the feasibility study.
He said that they had not received a formal offer from Mr. Long; therefore, the other
third would probably come from the other cities.
Mayor Scruggs asked how much land was being donated. Mr. Mason stated that the
footprint of the stadium is 131/2 acres, and possibly more. He said that the John F. Long
Organization was willing to leave it open for negotiation, depending on the outcome of
the election. Mayor Scruggs pointed out that, if Mr. Long does not want to negotiate
until after the election, they would not know what the cost basis was prior to the
deadline for the proposal. Mr. Mason stated that Mr. Long would need to be involved in
the development of any proposal and be willing to discuss the issues prior to the
election.
Councilmember Clark said that she would be very disappointed if Mr. Long only
planned to provide 131/2 acres for the stadium, reserving the rest of the land to generate
revenue. She said that it would be inappropriate for Mr. Long to put himself in a
position where he would enrich himself at a major cost to the West Valley cities. She
said that Mr. Long would have to provide land for the parking as well if he wanted the
stadium to go through.
Councilmember Martinez asked if it has been 131 acres from the beginning. Mr.
Colson explained that Mr. Long's initial offer did not specify the amount of land, only
that he would make the land available within the 1 ,000-acre parcel he owns.
Councilmember Martinez said that he had assumed, incorrectly, that the donated land
would include the parking.
Councilmember Martinez asked what the County's role would be and why it could not
bear some of the cost. Dr. Vanacour stated that they had no first-hand information on
that issue.
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Councilmember Frate expressed his opinion that Mr. Long has never had anything
against the City of Glendale or the project and he apologized if Mr. Long was given the
impression that the City of Glendale was not grateful. He said that they should proceed
with the feasibility study.
Mayor Scruggs stated that the City needed something in writing.
Mr. Mason noted that at a meeting held on Friday, Mr. Long's organization stated that
they were willing to negotiate a donation of 40 to 60 acres. He explained that the 131/2
acres relates to what the Tourism and Sports Authority (TSA) required for the site of the
stadium. He noted that there is an additional nine acres of pedestrian area around the
stadium.
Councilmember Martinez asked if the National Football League (NFL) would accept
surface parking. Mr. Mason said that, based on the NFL's studies, they would prefer
surface parking because parking garages create traffic bottlenecks.
ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 3:55 p.m.
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